EDH Optimizer
Lier, Disciple of the Drowned
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard · 3UU
Color identity: Blue
Lier, Disciple of the Drowned is blue: its deck can only run cards of that color plus colorless ones.
Rules text:
Spells can't be countered.
Each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard has flashback. The flashback cost is equal to that card's mana cost.
Reference price of the card: €1.05
Comes in the precon Jeskai Striker
Average lands in decks for Lier, Disciple of the Drowned: 34
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Build your Lier, Disciple of the Drowned deck step by step, with in-depth analysis and AI optimization of your list.
🛠️ Build a deck for Lier, Disciple of the Drowned 📥 Analyze my deck🎲 How the average Lier, Disciple of the Drowned deck starts over 4,000 games
The list people actually play (the 99 most-included cards, with its average land count), simulated with the EDH Optimizer engine: hands, mulligans, lands, curve and commander. It does not model opponents; it measures whether the plan gets going.
Deck health of the average list: B (68/100)
- Consistency95
- Speed40
- Interaction100
- Resilience85
- Closing43
See the cards of the average deck · 99 cards, 34 lands (5 nonbasic, 29 Island)
Sol Ring · High Tide · Sapphire Medallion · Frantic Search · Snap · Consider · Arcane Signet · Narset's Reversal · Archmage Emeritus · Ponder · Brainstorm · Unsubstantiate · Preordain · Thought Scour · Opt · Pongify · Windfall · Secrets of the Dead · Rapid Hybridization · Catalyst Stone · Talrand, Sky Summoner · Turnabout · Thought Vessel · Aetherize · Solve the Equation · Hullbreaker Horror · Gitaxian Probe · Brain Freeze · Fact or Fiction · Mystical Tutor · Reality Shift · Merchant Scroll · Archmage of Runes · Cyclonic Rift · Laboratory Maniac · Murmuring Mystic · Sink into Stupor // Soporific Springs · Haughty Djinn · Serum Visions · Baral, Chief of Compliance · Resculpt · Propaganda · See the Truth · Flow of Knowledge · Jace, Wielder of Mysteries · Rhystic Study · Mind Stone · Misdirection · Redirect · Summary Dismissal · Mental Note · Lórien Revealed · Shark Typhoon · Sky Diamond · Spellseeker · Thunderclap Drake · Mystic Remora · Careful Study · Fellwar Stone · Sea Gate Restoration // Sea Gate, Reborn · Thassa's Oracle · Case of the Ransacked Lab · Curate · Extraplanar Lens · Mindsplice Apparatus · Mystic Sanctuary · Reliquary Tower · Riptide Laboratory · Myriad Landscape · Otawara, Soaring City
🃏 Recommended cards for Lier, Disciple of the Drowned
The highest-synergy cards in decks for Lier, Disciple of the Drowned, with their inclusion rate.
| Card | Inclusion | Synergy |
|---|---|---|
| Unsubstantiate | 60% | +58% |
| Secrets of the Dead | 53% | +51% |
| Thought Scour | 56% | +50% |
| Consider | 65% | +50% |
| Narset's Reversal | 62% | +49% |
| Snap | 67% | +48% |
| Catalyst Stone | 47% | +47% |
| Turnabout | 47% | +44% |
| Frantic Search | 75% | +43% |
| Archmage Emeritus | 61% | +41% |
| Brain Freeze | 41% | +36% |
| High Tide | 80% | +36% |
| Preordain | 58% | +35% |
| Talrand, Sky Summoner | 47% | +34% |
| Solve the Equation | 45% | +34% |
| Windfall | 54% | +33% |
| Ponder | 61% | +31% |
| Gitaxian Probe | 42% | +31% |
| Fact or Fiction | 39% | +31% |
| See the Truth | 30% | +29% |
| Opt | 54% | +29% |
| Merchant Scroll | 37% | +28% |
| Haughty Djinn | 33% | +27% |
| Summary Dismissal | 28% | +27% |
💰 The best cards for your Lier, Disciple of the Drowned deck, by budget
Three tiers based on the maximum price PER CARD you are willing to pay. Paste your list and hit Optimize: you pick that cap and the AI only suggests swaps that fit under it.
Tier 1 · Budget up to €2/card
The most value for almost nothing. Coming from a precon? Start here.
- Unsubstantiate
- Secrets of the Dead
- Thought Scour
- Consider
- Narset's Reversal
- Turnabout
Tier 2 · Balanced up to €10/card
The real step up: pieces that are no longer cheap but still sensible.
- Snap
- Catalyst Stone
- Brain Freeze
- Solve the Equation
- Gitaxian Probe
- Merchant Scroll
Tier 3 · No cap no cap
The cards your price cap was hiding from you.
- Misdirection
- Spellseeker
- Mystical Tutor
- Aetherflux Reservoir
- Intuition
- Thassa's Oracle
Reference prices (cheapest English printing). They change daily.
♾️ Known combos with Lier, Disciple of the Drowned
- Hullbreaker Horror + Sol Ring → Infinite colorless mana, Infinite storm count
- Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter → Infinite magecraft triggers, Infinite mana nonland permanents you control can produce, Infinite storm count, Infinite untap of nonland permanents you control
- Hullbreaker Horror + Mana Vault → Infinite colorless mana, Infinite storm count
- Bruvac the Grandiloquent + Maddening Cacophony → Infinite mill
- Peregrine Drake + Deadeye Navigator → Infinite blinking, Infinite creature ETB, Infinite creature LTB, Infinite mana lands you control can produce
- Tidespout Tyrant + Sol Ring → Infinite colorless mana, Infinite storm count
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Frequently asked questions
What is Lier, Disciple of the Drowned's color identity?
Lier, Disciple of the Drowned is blue: its deck can only run cards of that color plus colorless ones. Color identity comes from every mana symbol on the card, including those in the rules text, not just the casting cost.
What turn does Lier, Disciple of the Drowned come down, and how often does the deck get stuck?
In the average Lier, Disciple of the Drowned deck (the 99 cards most played with it, with 34 lands), simulated 4,000 times, the commander comes down on turn 4.7 on average and is on the battlefield before turn 7 in 99 % of games. It misses at least one land drop in the first six turns 17 % of the time and floods 5 %. Deck health: B (68/100).
How many lands should a Lier, Disciple of the Drowned deck run?
Real Lier, Disciple of the Drowned decks run 34 lands on average. That is a starting point, not a rule: a lower curve can shave one or two, big-mana builds want more. The EDH Optimizer simulator tells you, over 10,000 games, how often you get mana screwed or flooded with your exact count.
What are the best cards for Lier, Disciple of the Drowned?
The three highest-synergy cards are Unsubstantiate, Secrets of the Dead, Thought Scour. This page lists the top 24 with their real inclusion rate in Lier, Disciple of the Drowned decks.
What combos does Lier, Disciple of the Drowned have?
Lier, Disciple of the Drowned has 6 known combos. The most popular one is Hullbreaker Horror + Sol Ring. Note that two-card combos raise your deck's bracket, so it is worth knowing which ones you are running before you sit down.
How much does a Lier, Disciple of the Drowned deck cost?
You can start cheap: Unsubstantiate, Secrets of the Dead, Thought Scour are under €2 each. The "Level up" section on this page splits the best cards into three price caps PER CARD (up to €2, up to €10 and no cap), and the optimizer only suggests swaps that fit the cap you pick.