EDH Optimizer
Lorthos, the Tidemaker
Legendary Creature — Octopus · 5UUU
Color identity: Blue
Lorthos, the Tidemaker is blue: its deck can only run cards of that color plus colorless ones.
Rules text:
Whenever Lorthos attacks, you may pay {8}. If you do, tap up to eight target permanents. Those permanents don't untap during their controllers' next untap steps.
Reference price of the card: €0.31
Average lands in decks for Lorthos, the Tidemaker: 38
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Build your Lorthos, the Tidemaker deck step by step, with in-depth analysis and AI optimization of your list.
🛠️ Build a deck for Lorthos, the Tidemaker 📥 Analyze my deck🎲 How the average Lorthos, the Tidemaker deck starts over 4,000 games
The list people actually play (the 99 most-included cards, with its average land count), simulated with the EDH Optimizer engine: hands, mulligans, lands, curve and commander. It does not model opponents; it measures whether the plan gets going.
Deck health of the average list: B+ (76/100)
- Consistency55
- Speed53
- Interaction99
- Resilience78
- Closing92
See the cards of the average deck · 99 cards, 38 lands (10 nonbasic, 28 Island)
Sol Ring · High Tide · Whelming Wave · Counterspell · Scourge of Fleets · Arcane Signet · Thran Dynamo · Sapphire Medallion · Stormtide Leviathan · Slinn Voda, the Rising Deep · Breaching Leviathan · Tromokratis · Stormsurge Kraken · Engulf the Shore · Mind Stone · Hullbreaker Horror · Sky Diamond · Thought Vessel · Gilded Lotus · Kefnet's Monument · Negate · Pongify · Serpent of Yawning Depths · Spawning Kraken · Caged Sun · Aetherize · Deep-Sea Kraken · Inkwell Leviathan · Monstrosity of the Lake · Summon: Leviathan · Swiftfoot Boots · Crush of Tentacles · Rapid Hybridization · Shipbreaker Kraken · Nadir Kraken · Brainstorm · Chasm Skulker · Quest for Ula's Temple · Solemn Simulacrum · Bident of Thassa · Ponder · Propaganda · Reef Worm · Sea-Dasher Octopus · Worn Powerstone · Cyclonic Rift · Kiora Bests the Sea God · Quicksilver Amulet · Brinelin, the Moon Kraken · Charix, the Raging Isle · Colossal Whale · Everflowing Chalice · Extraplanar Lens · Kraken of the Straits · Ominous Seas · Burnished Hart · Lightning Greaves · Blue Sun's Zenith · Gauntlet of Power · Hedron Archive · Mana Drain · Reliquary Tower · Mystic Sanctuary · Halimar Depths · Myriad Landscape · Temple of the False God · Lonely Sandbar · Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx · Coral Atoll · Rogue's Passage · Castle Vantress
🃏 Recommended cards for Lorthos, the Tidemaker
The highest-synergy cards in decks for Lorthos, the Tidemaker, with their inclusion rate.
| Card | Inclusion | Synergy |
|---|---|---|
| Whelming Wave | 68% | +64% |
| Slinn Voda, the Rising Deep | 50% | +49% |
| Scourge of Fleets | 59% | +47% |
| Stormtide Leviathan | 52% | +46% |
| Breaching Leviathan | 46% | +45% |
| Tromokratis | 46% | +45% |
| Stormsurge Kraken | 44% | +43% |
| Thran Dynamo | 53% | +40% |
| Serpent of Yawning Depths | 40% | +39% |
| Spawning Kraken | 40% | +38% |
| Deep-Sea Kraken | 38% | +37% |
| Monstrosity of the Lake | 38% | +37% |
| Engulf the Shore | 43% | +36% |
| Shipbreaker Kraken | 37% | +36% |
| Crush of Tentacles | 37% | +36% |
| Summon: Leviathan | 38% | +36% |
| Inkwell Leviathan | 38% | +36% |
| Kefnet's Monument | 40% | +34% |
| Quest for Ula's Temple | 33% | +33% |
| Reef Worm | 32% | +31% |
| Nadir Kraken | 36% | +31% |
| Sea-Dasher Octopus | 32% | +31% |
| Gilded Lotus | 41% | +31% |
| Kiora Bests the Sea God | 30% | +29% |
💰 The best cards for your Lorthos, the Tidemaker deck, by budget
Three tiers based on the maximum price PER CARD you are willing to pay. Paste your list and hit Optimize: you pick that cap and the AI only suggests swaps that fit under it.
Tier 1 · Budget up to €2/card
The most value for almost nothing. Coming from a precon? Start here.
- Whelming Wave
- Slinn Voda, the Rising Deep
- Scourge of Fleets
- Stormtide Leviathan
- Tromokratis
- Stormsurge Kraken
Tier 2 · Balanced up to €10/card
The real step up: pieces that are no longer cheap but still sensible.
- Breaching Leviathan
- Thran Dynamo
- Serpent of Yawning Depths
- Quest for Ula's Temple
- Kiora Bests the Sea God
- Caged Sun
Tier 3 · No cap no cap
The cards your price cap was hiding from you.
- Spawning Kraken
- Throne of Eldraine
- Sword of Feast and Famine
Reference prices (cheapest English printing). They change daily.
♾️ Known combos with Lorthos, the Tidemaker
- Hullbreaker Horror + Sol Ring → Infinite colorless mana, Infinite storm count
- Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter → Infinite magecraft triggers, Infinite mana nonland permanents you control can produce, Infinite storm count, Infinite untap of nonland permanents you control
- Hullbreaker Horror + Mana Vault → Infinite colorless mana, Infinite storm count
- Hullbreaker Horror + Mox Amber → Infinite creature ETB, Infinite creature LTB, Infinite colored mana, Infinite storm count
- Tidespout Tyrant + Sol Ring → Infinite colorless mana, Infinite storm count
- Narset's Reversal + Isochron Scepter → Infinite turns, Lock
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Frequently asked questions
What is Lorthos, the Tidemaker's color identity?
Lorthos, the Tidemaker is blue: its deck can only run cards of that color plus colorless ones. Color identity comes from every mana symbol on the card, including those in the rules text, not just the casting cost.
What turn does Lorthos, the Tidemaker come down, and how often does the deck get stuck?
In the average Lorthos, the Tidemaker deck (the 99 cards most played with it, with 38 lands), simulated 4,000 times, the commander comes down on turn 6.5 on average and is on the battlefield before turn 7 in 76 % of games. It misses at least one land drop in the first six turns 12 % of the time and floods 16 %. Deck health: B+ (76/100).
How many lands should a Lorthos, the Tidemaker deck run?
Real Lorthos, the Tidemaker decks run 38 lands on average. That is a starting point, not a rule: a lower curve can shave one or two, big-mana builds want more. The EDH Optimizer simulator tells you, over 10,000 games, how often you get mana screwed or flooded with your exact count.
What are the best cards for Lorthos, the Tidemaker?
The three highest-synergy cards are Whelming Wave, Slinn Voda, the Rising Deep, Scourge of Fleets. This page lists the top 24 with their real inclusion rate in Lorthos, the Tidemaker decks.
What combos does Lorthos, the Tidemaker have?
Lorthos, the Tidemaker has 6 known combos. The most popular one is Hullbreaker Horror + Sol Ring. Note that two-card combos raise your deck's bracket, so it is worth knowing which ones you are running before you sit down.
How much does a Lorthos, the Tidemaker deck cost?
You can start cheap: Whelming Wave, Slinn Voda, the Rising Deep, Scourge of Fleets are under €2 each. The "Level up" section on this page splits the best cards into three price caps PER CARD (up to €2, up to €10 and no cap), and the optimizer only suggests swaps that fit the cap you pick.